All Clud / Dumbarton Rock

All Clud  / Dumbarton Rock
All Clud / Dumbarton Rock

Tuesday, 5 April 2016

Confusing Terminology

The Welsh used the term Yr  Hen Ogledd "The Old North" for the British speaking kingdoms of what is now Southern Scotland and the north of England.  An area that overlaps with, but is not identical with, the later medieval polity and its wider culture province of Cumbria.

The names used are confusing. Academics dispute everything, it is after all how they make a living, but to clarify my current understanding, I would summarise by saying

1. The inhabitants of the island of Britain before the Romans came were the Pritani - (hence the modern Welsh Prydain for Britain )  In English they are simply Britons.

2 The Romans called the Britons Brittones but restricted that name to those tribes within their zone of control. Those Britons to the north of Roman control, they called Picts. The Welsh call these un-Romanised Britons, Prydyn, a continuation of the original Celtic name for the whole population, but themselves they call Brythoniaid, which comes from the Latin Brittones.

3. The language the ancient Britons spoke was called British, refreshingly simple. However, academics differentiate British from its daughter language Brittonic, which was the much changed language spoken by the Britons by the time the Romans departed in 410. Brittonic is an academic Anglicisation of the Welsh Brythoneg.

4. The Britons were then subject to invasion by the Germanic tribes, who became the English. The English conquests separated the Brittonic speaking area into three - Cornwall, Wales, and greater Cumbria, with a fourth group leaving for Armorica over the English Channel and making that land into Brittany.

Because Cumbric left no written records we guess (often intelligently and with good reasoning) at its differences from Welsh, but we don't know.  This is why you will also see the language of the Cumbrians, or the Men of the North, described as Old Welsh.


Woolf makes the point that Cumbrians was probably the normal term of the Northumbrian English to describe the Britons in the North, no matter whose rule they were under [8].  

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